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I'm probably wrong, but it seems like ever since John K. started a blog, there's been a lot of feuds and dicussions on the internet about the state of cartoons, which is the "right" way to make them, and what exactly makes a good cartoon, and so on. After seeing many arguments, I felt like I should state what I feel on the matter, even though I'm sure none of you care.

To fill things in to people who don't know what the hell i'm talking about, there seems to be two sides on the subject. There are people who think animation is the most important thing in making a cartoon, no matter how much sense the story doesn't make. This is where you get your shows like Ren and Stimpy and Cow and Chicken. Then there's people who put story in front of animation, and want something well-structured and deep as well as funny, and it's these shows where the animation takes a toll. Here's where you have your Simpsons and South Parks and etc. There also seems to be a sort of third ground (which isn't really referred to int he comic), where there's something written badly but funny, and animated when neccesary, such as Family guy, Drawn Together and most of the adult swim lineup.

Myself, I'm a fan of all these types of cartoons, and I don't really see a need for one type to dominate over others. When I watch a cartoon, I tend to know before hand what kind of cartoon I'm watching. I don't turn on South Park thinking " Oh man, I can't wait to see some dynamic visuals and brilliant animation!" And it's the same for when I watch a Bugs Bunny cartoon, which I dont watch with"oh, here's something that'll make me laugh AND think!" going through my mind. So why do other people seem to be doing this? Who the hell sees Aqua Teen Hunger Force for it's animation? I think there's two extremes, and one can live fine with the other.

But does that mean we all have to agree? Hell no! We need our John K's as much as we need our Seth MacFarlene's to keep a balance, to show how flexible the medium of animation is. Granted, things have been going towards the badly animated side in recent years, especially recent cartoon network crap, (for both kids and adults, so don't blame different age demographics), so we do need SOMETHING to balance things out. But I don't feel one thing should dominate. We need people who want crazy and surreal drawing in their work as much as people who won't start storyboards without a perfect script. And it's that balance that I think will keep people watching, no matter what kind of cartoon they're looking for.

As for what I want to get into, I'm a big fan of animated sitcoms, and of course I'd love to make my own. And if that doesn't make me a cartoonist in some people's eyes, than that's just how it is. But don't think for a second that I don't ever chill out in front Ren and Stimpy or Looney Tunes and laugh my ass off.

As for you, what do you want to make?

Update: I also want to bring up real quickly my thoughts on 3D animation vs 2D animation while I have your attention. My conclusion: apples and oranges, you can't compare the two. Its like comparing a sculpture to a painting, or claymation to 2D animation, they're just two different mediums in which to make art in. 3D's being overused now, but I still don't think 3D animation is a bad thing, just take a look at any pixar movie, they know what they're doing. And c'mon, there's been plenty of shitty 2D animated movies (remember Rock-a-Doodle? Once upon a Forest? Home on the Range?), so don't think this is a NEW thing here! I see 3D animation as just another medium, what people do with it is their own problem.


Bugs Bunny is (c) Warner Brothers
Eric Cartman is (c) Comedy Central
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slyboyseth Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Student Writer
Since most of the comments start with John K., I think I should first say that I haven't watched much of Ren & Stimpy as a kid, probably because I wasn't allowed to watch it along with Ed, Edd n Eddy, though more because I never saw much of it on the TV. Other shows that I have watched were the likes of CatDog, Spongebob, Animaniacs, Freakazoid, Aladdin, Hercules, The Little Mermaid (yes), Bonkers; basically everything that was on Toon Disney, Cartoon Network, and Nickelodean before they resorted to using young adults and teenagers for their channels. I often wanted to rent Alice in Wonderland and The Nightmare Before Christmas when the store that had them was still open.

As for the apparent argument about anime the comments included, I also remember watching the likes of Dragon Ball Z, Sailor Moon, Yu Yu Hakusho, and Ruioni(sp?) Kenshin when I was younger. The only one that I actually keep close to my heart out of them all was Mobile Fighter G Gundam as it was giant robots fighting each other; I was born in the 90s so I wasn't influenced by Transformers. I've watched my fair share of Miyazaki films too and I own the likes of Kiki's Delivery Service and Princess Mononoke. Now that I'm older, I find my favorite genre of anime to be Mecha, but I would much rather like to stick to those that were well done like The Big O, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Shin Mazinger Z, New Getter Robo, and I hope to find more. I guess I can't really make a real debate about the issue of anime being used as an influence to animation nowadays, but I also recall that they got their influence from Eastern animation first and some of their animation was based off of Disney, so accusing cartoons of ripping off anime comes off as being redundant.

But then I started using the TV less and less when I began using the internet. Even when Toonami came back, I didn't spend much weeks watching it before heading back to the computer to watch what I want. Heck, while I watch Friendship is Magic, I don't see it all that often, I see it only on the computer since it strikes me more as an internet cartoon with a large budget, and the animation is interesting; hell I enjoy the fan art more than I do the show.

So yes, I wholeheartedly agree that we are free to watch what we want, no matter the genre. There isn't any need for arguments or fights simply because they differ or even because of philosophical standpoints. There's always something for someone.
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AdvancedDefense Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
I see what you mean. I like a lot of toons. Even bad ones.
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Pepe-K Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2012
Personally, I think both John. K and Seth McDouchebag can go @#&*+! themselves. K made a big name for himself and sought to make himself an authority on all of animation and generally, no one listens to him cuz he's so intolerant and arrogant. He publicly hated Tiny Toons so much that he lost most of the fans he had. Only the first few Ren & Stimpy shows were any good.
Seth McDouchebag is just slime who is out to offend everybody and laugh all the way to the bank. I hate his crap.
I think there's plenty of room for all types of cartoons, although I have little tolerance for Adult Swim stuff that's just made for shock value and isn't funny.
I would make a cartoon series of my ATTEPUH novel series which is a big crossover series using TTA, LT, MGM, HB and some older anime. It's got all varieties of entertainment; comedy, drama, romance, thriller, adventure, tragedy, history, etc. I'd stay away from the Nickelodeon type "ugly-art" style and stick with good Silver Age WB and MGM style art and animation.
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SeersSword Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2012   General Artist
>.>; True...
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AlkemyFreak Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2012
I expected Cartman to start a fight over not sharing. But I loved the end.
And I agree with what you said about the extremes in cartoons. Having different extremes really does keep the medium alive, and everyone will just have to live with that. Personally, there are things I don't like to watch, but I don't get into fights over if I think the animation is shoddy or the story is dull. I'll just change the channel.
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theweirdgirlinclass Featured By Owner May 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
To me it's not fair that Ren and Stimpy: APC gets canned and SOUTH PARK stays.
SP has MORE disturbing stuff than APC
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mephonic1 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2011  Student Writer
lol nice
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01Slayer87 Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2011
I like the piece and what you have to say. Great job.
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RoFlo-Felorez Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
looks like they just have to deal with it :P
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GSnail Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I never considered south park or the simpsons 'well written' Not that theres anything wrong with fart jokes...
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